a multi-source operation, and it's not a game of jenga where, you know they're waterboarding sheikh mohammed and he says it's the 133rd time it happens to him and all of a sudden we've got bin laden. >> in the movie it's depicted over multiple years that the information is obtained and ultimately leads to finding osama bin laden. there's a team that carries out the killing. like yourself, you've been in this position you've been waterboarded previously. do you consider it a form of torture? >> it is unee kiev ohably torture. essentially the closest description i can give you is this, like being shackled to the bottom of the pool and not being able to get out. >> in 2002 it was banned. do you suspect it may be going on still? >> i do not and i hope we've close thad chapter in our history. >> what about the old practice of flying our prisoners to other countries where torture is not frowned upon? >> the movie there's actually a scene where mya in the cia says to one of the detainees, we can send you else where or stay in pakistan and he wants to talk to her in pakistan because he doesn't want